Michelle Obama said she entered therapy hoping to “unwind some old habits” and “sort through some old guilt,” again addressing the freedom that has come with no longer being the first lady.

These claims allege that Barack and Michelle have been living “separate lives” for quite some time. On Wednesday’s episode of her new podcast IMO, which she hosts with her older brother Craig Robinson,

The former first lady said she was left in a situation where “every choice” she makes is “completely” her own now.